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coolbreeze
04-25-2012, 08:19 PM
doughboy. In competitions, the 12 foot rule applies. in the past the dave crew used the rog, did well with it. it wasnt untill 55 brought out his 1/2 waves that they cried and got them banned. Lame for sure since anyone can buy a set.

Now I have read the post at the lamo radio room where a fellow poster thinks he knows how they work, and how they need grounding LMFAO moron.

most half wave antenna, mobile and base straight sticks are a 1/2 wave over a 1/4 wave. the dave rod of god, 55's or the replicas are a 1/4 wave base feeding the top 1/2 wave section through a capacitor. over all length is over 20 feet, which alone would tell you that you wont be driving down the road with them.
Ground radios will not help since the metal mobile is the ground!!!!!! the davemade style half waves require a specific puc so the bottom of the coil is at ground!!!!

benifits of 1/2 waves. In my results I have found 12-15 db gain over 2 coils. so thats 20 db over 1 coil. now my 5 and 6 element fighting system does better ina shoot out, but the 1/2 waves are devistating in skip. I have proven this myself, along with many many happy 1/2 wave owners.

55's 1/2 waves are 950 shipped. Calm down, dont freak 900 for antennas, forget that! Negative!
you need to double your power for 3db gain. So if you had 2 coils, you would have to double your power 4-5 times to equal the output. if you have a 2 pill, how much would it cost to double your power 4-5 times?? WAYYYYYYYYYY more then 900 bucks. 4 times would require a much larger amp, more alternators, less gas milage! bigger coax and a bucket load of money!

Now to others, befor you try to argue any findings of mine. Please buy a set, do your own testing, then report back. thank you

Mr.5150cbrn
04-25-2012, 08:35 PM
that does make perfect sense,
increasing your antenna gain , being less expensive than footing the bill for other things

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-25-2012, 10:11 PM
will he make me one for the paddy wagon ford ? i would love to have one . omg yessssssssssss:rockon::congratulatory::jaded:

coolbreeze
04-25-2012, 10:15 PM
yes he will call him

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-26-2012, 04:28 AM
10-4 roger thanks cool breeze .:300 (222):

D-MAX 2112
04-28-2012, 05:53 AM
Ive been thinking about 1/2 waves..they are pricey... i dont know much about setting them up ... my surburban is using dual hots. My honda uses 1 hot drive around and i have a back door setup now.
For me to justify the cost i would need to be able to use them somehow on both vehicles.

coolbreeze
04-28-2012, 06:02 AM
why do you have 2 hots? you might be able to get them to tune, no one has ever tried but the cost is way higher since you need two sets of the hot element. and they can be moved from one to the other. some tunning will be needed

the cost to performance ratio is way more effective then a bigger box.
BUT the cost is most resonable if you are the type to sit still and talk skip in the mobile.

Gordon Gekko
04-28-2012, 07:25 AM
the difference in doubling your power via amplifiers may be a bit pricey vs. the antenna system however you said it yourself...you cannot ride around with 1/2 waves. However you can ride around with a bigger box and use it all the time. Dropping $900 for a set of Terry's stix is only applicable if you key. Now figure how much money you may win (or in your case lose) versus how much money it will take in winning competitions. You'll find that it will take you several years of consistent victories to cover your initial investment.

Then when you decided enough is enough and you wish to sell your antenna system, you'll find that you'll have much more trouble unloading them (not even considering shipping) as opposed to selling a box.

So in a nutshell investing in an amp will give you everyday use instead of a few times a year using the 1/2 waves.

noisemaker
04-28-2012, 08:38 AM
Yeah but if youre looking to purchase a set your purchasing them for a reason. Not to mention some of us like to shoot skip, not just key. You can even make it into a base antenna if u decide you mo loner want to use em for a mobile. Or you can just bring em to a swap meet and you will most likely unload em without having to worrry about shipping. How many 1/2 waves have you seen at a swap meet? Or on feebay? Or on craigslist? My point exactly.

BOOTY MONSTER
04-28-2012, 11:24 AM
hopefully i won't offend you asking a few simple questions ...


doughboy. In competitions, the 12 foot rule applies. ..........
...... most half wave antenna, mobile and base straight sticks are a 1/2 wave over a 1/4 wave.

can you name a 1/2 wave base CB antenna that is a 1/2 wave over a 1/4 wave please ?

the dave rod of god, 55's or the replicas are a 1/4 wave base feeding the top 1/2 wave section through a capacitor. over all length is over 20 feet, which alone would tell you that you wont be driving down the road with them.

if there is a 12 ft length the rule for competitions , how can a 20 ft antenna be used ? it cant be driven with , too tall for comps ...... what are these antenna good for other than putting money in there sellers pockets ?

Ground radios will not help since the metal mobile is the ground!!!!!! the davemade style half waves require a specific puc so the bottom of the coil is at ground!!!!

end fed 1/2 waves don't need ground radials anyhow , the ringo is a good example of that . typically it doesn,t hurt to add them and in some installs they have shown benefits .

benifits of 1/2 waves. In my results I have found 12-15 db gain over 2 coils. so thats 20 db over 1 coil. now my 5 and 6 element fighting system does better ina shoot out, but the 1/2 waves are devistating in skip. I have proven this myself, along with many many happy 1/2 wave owners.

why not just put the top of a merlin on the mobile ? i've herd it does between 4 - 15 s-units more signal than even highly touted 5/8 . seems like that 24 - 90 db of gain would be more useful than the measly little 12-15 db the ROD and it's contemporary's give (according to your numbers given here) .

55's 1/2 waves are 950 shipped. Calm down, dont freak 900 for antennas, forget that! Negative!
you need to double your power for 3db gain. So if you had 2 coils, you would have to double your power 4-5 times to equal the output. if you have a 2 pill, how much would it cost to double your power 4-5 times?? WAYYYYYYYYYY more then 900 bucks. 4 times would require a much larger amp, more alternators, less gas milage! bigger coax and a bucket load of money!

since they can't be driven with and they're too tall for competition it seems they are pretty much just useful sitting in the drive way or driving to a hill to or clear open area to talk . seems like a home-brewed ringo could be made to handle just as much power for well under $100 for the power user and a imax would do as well of better for the other %99 of users .

so how are these antennas good value for the money asked for them ?

Now to others, befor you try to argue any findings of mine. Please buy a set, do your own testing, then report back. thank you

D-MAX 2112
04-28-2012, 11:47 AM
Breeze.. my burban has dual hots because im planning on this being a "skip" setup more then a key down setup. Having a reflect system for me is frustrating... i seem to never be pointed in the right direction ..lol.. so having dual hots wide spaced im looking for gain... and to be able to talk all directions. My honda has a single hot... with the ability to add a back door setup i built... seems to work pretty well. For me the antenna options are extensive.. and im learning them as i go.

D-Rail
04-21-2013, 11:18 PM
Coolbreeze idk how to send private msgs but i would like to ask alot of ?? Bc u seem to be one of the more knowledgeable people around but it says you are banned are you, or can someone tell me if he is any help would be appreciated.

Fletcher Munson
04-23-2013, 08:48 PM
809810

Just don't run too much power thru them like I did.
(55 half waves)

CBRN38
04-23-2013, 09:49 PM
call terry he has a 100kw + gama also.

how much did you put through it?

CBRN38
04-23-2013, 09:50 PM
540-220-3734

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-23-2013, 09:53 PM
wowwwwwwwwwwww hmmmmmmmmm more powerrrrrrrrrrr. :emmersed::300 (271):

CBRN38
04-23-2013, 09:54 PM
dmax you do know that correctly phased and tunes dual hots is more directional

Fletcher Munson
04-24-2013, 09:42 AM
Terry is great. I had new parts in the mail 3 days after that happened. I dont measure my stuff with a watt meter, I just use an RF ammeter.

P.S. high voltage mobile is a sissy girl, and 38 is a swamp thing.
Im out

Oh yeah. Dmax I see you. You suck penises too.

619 NJ
04-25-2013, 09:41 AM
And let the trolling begin...

D-MAX 2112
04-25-2013, 09:52 AM
Who cares!.. Just another "tool" I messed with those terry 1/2 waves on a friends burban doing 40 mi test swapping back and fourth betwenn FB's 1/2 waves.. Terry's are pretty impressive

619 NJ
04-25-2013, 09:54 AM
good point...

CBRN38
04-25-2013, 02:46 PM
d max, which performed better?

fletcher, go play your horn

619 NJ
04-25-2013, 03:12 PM
I thought that was him...interesting...

CBRN38
04-25-2013, 05:09 PM
he has btk under his user name....

619 NJ
04-25-2013, 06:04 PM
Yeah I saw that. He was busting my balls in another thread. I was ok enough to get money from for a noise toy, though...Don't know why he'd be fucking with me.

D-MAX 2112
04-25-2013, 07:22 PM
Breeze i think you know the answer to your question.

D-MAX 2112
04-25-2013, 07:30 PM
The kid is pretty smart... but behind a keyboard.. biggest douchebag .. in person i would have to knock his teeth out. Does any know his screen name "Fletcher Munson" curve?. the screen name gave him away ..as soon as i read it.

D-Rail
04-25-2013, 07:33 PM
What kind of rw db gain will a terry 55 1/2 wave antenna do against a terry 1/4 wave for a mobile application? Has any1 tested this?

D-MAX 2112
04-25-2013, 08:07 PM
These 2 1/2 waves the terry and FB were not mine.. i only had a short period of time to mess with them. One thing i found impressive.. the 55 came in 2 tubes.. and numerous sections.. all marked from terry.. all we did was match the marks as he had them.. assembled and hooked up an mfj.. and holy crap tuned awsome almost right away.(not sure how he could do that) The FB 1/2 wave is pretty impressive looking and is nothing to take lightly.. We ran a pretty stout AC box thru them... the transmitting station was in highlands NJ the listening station in waretown nj about 30 or more miles now that i look at mapquest. Both did well with the rx stations rf gain 50%.. the Terry was 2.5 db stronger then the fb with more fwd swing on the rx station.. with the ac box not touched when we swapped.
I dont have a bunch of antenna sw to really analyze them. I will get a terry 1/2 wave setup to park and talk skip with eventually. Or possibly see if Noisemaker would get involved with trying to build 1/2 waves. I do not run ac in the mobile.. i run a Orig dave..4x20 - thru terry 55's at the moment in a bounceback setup.. love it..But am itching to try a 1/2 wave setup.
Only thing ..terrys 1/2 waves are for PARKING/keying" they are a bit "whippy" do not plan on going anywhere with them up there.

D-Rail
04-25-2013, 09:15 PM
Oh yeah and thanks for the quick response and the good info. I was already pretty convinced i wanted to try terrys version over the fatboy
Version but my main question still remains the same im very interested in buying a quarter wave and a half wave from terry but before i put up $800 or $900 for a half wave antenna i would like to see if its worth the time if there is truly a 10 to 20 db gain sitting still that is well worth
Every penny but if i stop park and sit still test the two antennas and get nothing but a
3 db gain i would be alittle bummed by the way my application would be just a single antenna
Omni directional on a ford f150 with a 7 pill i intend on using to drive a 32 pill.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated. And thanks again d-max for responding and giving me your real world experience with
The product.

Fletcher Munson
04-26-2013, 12:24 AM
lol ≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-26-2013, 02:58 PM
ATTENTION BANDCAMPER 631 this one is for you buddy .
ahahhahahahahha and your mommy and daddy will not be happy when im done showing them what you type to us along with your bad behavior on channel 19 , its all on tape and going to the authorities . thank you high voltage for letting me no that . your welcome 631 . http://www.cbjunkies.com/images/smilies/300%20(117).gif

Fletcher Munson
04-26-2013, 05:52 PM
ATTENTION BANDCAMPER 631 this one is for you buddy .
ahahhahahahahha and your mommy and daddy will not be happy when im done showing them what you type to us along with your bad behavior on channel 19 , its all on tape and going to the authorities . thank you high voltage for letting me no that . your welcome 631 . http://www.cbjunkies.com/images/smilies/300%20(117).gif

I honestly feel sorry for you.

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-26-2013, 08:42 PM
I honestly feel sorry for you. I no you love me that's why you don't like me and everyone else . its just a bandcamper thing , I get it . lol lol lol :horn::300 (29)::emmersed:

D-Rail
04-26-2013, 10:06 PM
Whats your take on half wave antennas vs 1/4 wave high voltage u seem to be into the shoot out skip talking scene what do u think is it worth throwing out $900 bucks will i get a 10 plus db gain at 20 30 miles away.

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-27-2013, 09:22 AM
Whats your take on half wave antennas vs 1/4 wave high voltage u seem to be into the shoot out skip talking scene what do u think is it worth throwing out $900 bucks will i get a 10 plus db gain at 20 30 miles away. well charger wants like 1,100 dollars for his . I think $900 is very unreasonable price. noisemaker NJ could make the same antenna if not even better for have that cost . I could but a dual hot system on for much lower than everything here and have more db forward gain with phasing than all these so called perfect antenna systems for a couple hundred dollars minus the heliax to get the job done . so im not really for the half waves because of the price issue. I could spend $300 on a star gun beam and kill everything out there. ive done it before. :300 (194):

D-MAX 2112
04-29-2013, 11:14 AM
32 pill on a 1/2 wave would whip some ass!

CBRN38
04-29-2013, 05:23 PM
Keep telling yourself that. You remind me of fast4socal



well charger wants like 1,100 dollars for his . I think $900 is very unreasonable price. noisemaker NJ could make the same antenna if not even better for have that cost . I could but a dual hot system on for much lower than everything here and have more db forward gain with phasing than all these so called perfect antenna systems for a couple hundred dollars minus the heliax to get the job done . so im not really for the half waves because of the price issue. I could spend $300 on a star gun beam and kill everything out there. ive done it before. :300 (194):

CBRN38
04-29-2013, 05:27 PM
What kind of rw db gain will a terry 55 1/2 wave antenna do against a terry 1/4 wave for a mobile application? Has any1 tested this?

my half waves give the same signal as my 5 element fighting system

BOOTY MONSTER
04-29-2013, 09:33 PM
......... but my main question still remains the same im very interested in buying a quarter wave and a half wave from terry but before i put up $800 or $900 for a half wave antenna i would like to see if its worth the time if there is truly a 10 to 20 db gain .............
Any advise would be greatly appreciated. ................

LMAO !!!!!!

good luck with that

BOOTY MONSTER
04-29-2013, 09:33 PM
my half waves give the same signal as my 5 element fighting system

what's wrong with your 5 element ?

BOOTY MONSTER
04-30-2013, 12:46 PM
Whats your take on half wave antennas vs 1/4 wave high voltage u seem to be into the shoot out skip talking scene what do u think is it worth throwing out $900 bucks will i get a 10 plus db gain at 20 30 miles away.

a 1/2 wave base antenna doesn't have 10 db of gain over a 1/4 wave base antenna ........ why would you believe mobile versions will ????????????????????????????????????????????????

try drinking more water and ease up on the kool-aid ;)

CBRN38
04-30-2013, 06:44 PM
welcome back the blow hole.

Booty being that you dont use your head, and think for yourself. Let me add a few things you obviously havent taken into account. 99% of people are running a bounce back system with half waves. so there is your missing gain to a point. I will once say again you have never used half of what your attempt to talk about. These are real world results. Results that can be duplicated and demonstrated for you if you really feel the need.

Now everyone the testing parameters were a dax10 radio which has a great meter for signal reading. And was field tested to be 6 db per s unit. How is this done? Hold a 400w dk and record signal, hold 800 hold signal, hold 1600 and record. 4 to 800 watts was 1/2 an s unit that's an easy way to determine 3db of signal gain per half or 6 per s unit. A hair tighter after 7 to about 5 db per s unit. Distance was 40 air miles to stickman at his base. Now that the signal baseline is set...

With the 2 coils and a 16 pill I can put just about 4 s units on him. The current 5 element fighting system puts 7 to a hair better s units on him. Hey booty can you add? its at least 17 db gain over 2 coils which is 5 db over 1 coil.
( the best low boom antenna system we had was 3 db less then the current one. which is about 5 less for the average ) Now the half waves are right at the same signal as the current 5 element system. Give or take a needles width on the meter. Booty are you still doing the math? blow up the calculator and break 7 pencils yet?
Now that I mentioned the old low boom antenna system you can now see why everyone was afraid of the half waves at keydowns.

Back to the half waves. Half waves are really good for two things. Complete local decimation, but primarily talking skip. the added receive, and much higher tx level = skip control.. I have at one time just hardly squeaked in between the keys on 2 coils and a 24 pill. put on the 1/2 waves and now im on top of everyone else who had better conditions.

now some NJ guys have tested the 55 version and the other design and the 55's did 2.5db better. Now blow hole Im not going to question how they did the test, what was used, How it was used. I'm confident that both of them knew what they were doing.. And since this is cb radio and there is no solid baseline, level of test equipment any argument you have is useless.
Also being you are to cheap, stubborn and fat to do any testing for yourself you will never know for yourself. Books were written years ago, but just as the first book was written on fuel injection for motors, new ways and technology was found to outperform the book written years ago. So wise up booty. Read and pay attention!

BOOTY MONSTER
04-30-2013, 07:01 PM
LMFAO !!!!

a maco 5 element only has 15.5 db of gain . hell , their biggest beams produce a max of 18 db

http://www.macoantennas.net/Antennas.html

a (http://www.macoantennas.net/Antennas.html) half wave antenna only has 1 db of gain over a 1/4 wave ... but you expect folks to believe what you say ..........
fool breeze , keep telling lies to sell stuff for your good buddies .

CBRN38
04-30-2013, 07:23 PM
such limited intelligence

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-30-2013, 07:25 PM
hahahhahahah . well mr cool breeze I must thank you gain for your awesome knowledge brotherrrr brotherrrrrr. im on the side breaka breakaaaaaaaa . :300 (135):

CBRN38
04-30-2013, 07:46 PM
the left or the right?

High Voltage Mobile NJ
04-30-2013, 08:53 PM
the left or the right? hmmmmmmmmmm both sides . lol :300 (215):

BOOTY MONSTER
04-30-2013, 08:53 PM
such limited intelligence

i'm smart enough to not believe your bull chit .

CBRN38
05-01-2013, 01:36 PM
HA HV you want arm warmers instead?

High Voltage Mobile NJ
05-01-2013, 08:40 PM
lol lol lol:loco:

bad boy
07-31-2015, 03:04 PM
I talked to one of the dave made techs and he said the rod of god was made for the back door to be isolated. that's hard to believe because if the back door is not grounded, how would the rod know that its back there. you have to have a neg. and a positive to react. the grounded back door, kicks the rf forward again, hitting the rod and increases the db gain. will some one explain this theory if its true

Armed&Dangerous
04-27-2020, 10:29 PM
Can anyone tell me if they have try running just the hot side of Terry's half wave antenna without the reflector element and if so what was the performance like over the 1/4 wave antenna ?

BOOTY MONSTER
05-06-2020, 05:55 PM
half wave antennas don't need a ground element/plane/vehicle body to work . 5/8 aka .64's have been used without them also but the work better with some sort of counterpoise . 1/4 wave antennas shorter need some sort of counterpoise unless they are designed to use the coax as a ground element . the rod of god was a half wave antenna with tapped coil for tuning . very similar to the old ringo antennas that used a tapped loop for tuning . beams antennas FWIU work best with a reflector and one or more directors and the reflector and director(s) have to EACH be a certain lenmgth and distance apart according to the band it's used on . the performance difference with a full length 1/4 wave (9ft on CB) would be similar to a antron 99 over the 1/4 wave .

Sticky Fingers
05-07-2020, 07:22 AM
What a steaming great load of horse manure lol. You sure don't need to spend that kind of money on any antenna , CB radio is not a competition , it's for talkin to people. If you have a favorite location you like to park the mobile at , you can do what I do. I take out the a99 and put it on a short pole at the top of my fav hill and start talkin. It will give you the same gain as a DX500 on a quarter wave mobile antenna without the DX500 in line...... trust me on this I have tested it multiple times over the years. The DX500 will give me 5 S points on my 9 foot car antenna at my friends location about 70 miles from me. Take out the DX 500 and connect the antron to the radio and I get the same results. Tested many times same results every time...... $950 bucks is a new ham radio for me def not spending that kind of money on an antenna that's for sure , anyone who does has more money than sense lol

BOOTY MONSTER
05-07-2020, 09:10 AM
"....I take out the a99 and put it on a short pole at the top of my fav hill and start talkin. It will give you the same gain as a DX500 on a quarter wave mobile antenna without the DX500 in line...."

a antron 99 having the same gain as a 1/4 wave mobile antenna with a 500 watt amp behind it .....
must have been the shittiest mobile antenna ever or a really shitty install of the antenna/amp on the mobile .

a increase in reception should be substantial with the much bigger antenna being so much higher at the tip .

Sticky Fingers
05-07-2020, 09:41 AM
The install of the 102 inch car antenna was perfect with a flat swr across 27mhz , The antron was higher being up on a 20 foot portable pole...... the results were verified several times..... When we did this test we did not believe it to be possible...... but that is the results we got. Of course no one will believe this but it's 100% true..... Next time i'm up that hill i'm going to do a video and post it on my youtube channel showing both setups working as I have stated here.

Jaybyrd
03-23-2021, 06:19 PM
How do I buy the rod of god antenna or a remake 1/2 over a 1/4?

mjd420nova
03-31-2021, 02:26 PM
Thiink of all antennas as transformers. Some have internal coils which can increase the "apparent" length of a wire or transmitting element. Internal coils can become overloaded and increase SWR. I use a balun on the end of 100 feet of RG-8 coax. Hoisted into a tree with a sling shot and LONG wires launched over trees with bow and arrow. Two wires in opposite directions or multiple wires to create a beam effect. Once the wires are at least three wavelengths, the actual length doesn't matter. In elevated areas, a beam can be created with sticks holding wires above ground, cut to lengths to make radiator, reflector and director elements. This would be fed with a balun and two wires cut to one half wavelength on each side to get a full wavelength.